Jugoszláv határerődítések

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Re: Jugoszláv határerődítések

HozzászólásSzerző: bunkerman » 2009.12.04. 20:20

Micowiny írta:Great photos bunkerman! Do you have more old photos? I'm making research about Yugoslavian bunkers and trenches in Vojvodina. Can you help me with that?!


Hello, sure. I have more photos but I have to scan them. I will send you. You can send me email to the following addess: info@bunkermuzeum.hu
I will mark all bunkers and blockhouses that you will find in the site's bunker map (htps://map.bunkermuzeum.hu). Thank you in advance klm files and all data.

Railway blockhouses are realy curious they are like old medievel watchtowers. Germans had build several post along railway lines, some were heavily armed I will send some sketches but they were different from these towers.

I have a small map about Yugoslavian fortifications in Serbia I will scan it as well. Furthermore there is a Hungarian survery from 1941 about the bunkers in the occupied sector. I plan to find them in the Hungarian Military Archive next year.
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Re: Jugoszláv határerődítések

HozzászólásSzerző: Micowiny » 2009.12.04. 20:43

bunkerman írta:
Micowiny írta:Great photos bunkerman! Do you have more old photos? I'm making research about Yugoslavian bunkers and trenches in Vojvodina. Can you help me with that?!


Hello, sure. I have more photos but I have to scan them. I will send you. You can send me email to the following addess: info@bunkermuzeum.hu
I will mark all bunkers and blockhouses that you will find in the site's bunker map (htps://map.bunkermuzeum.hu). Thank you in advance klm files and all data.

Railway blockhouses are realy curious they are like old medievel watchtowers. Germans had build several post along railway lines, some were heavily armed I will send some sketches but they were different from these towers.

I have a small map about Yugoslavian fortifications in Serbia I will scan it as well. Furthermore there is a Hungarian survery from 1941 about the bunkers in the occupied sector. I plan to find them in the Hungarian Military Archive next year.


He he he... I also have plan to find something in Military archive in Belgrade next year.
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Re: Jugoszláv határerődítések

HozzászólásSzerző: Micowiny » 2009.12.05. 15:58

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Re: Jugoszláv határerődítések

HozzászólásSzerző: bunkerman » 2009.12.05. 17:18

Micowiny írta:
bunkerman írta:
Micowiny írta:Great photos bunkerman! Do you have more old photos? I'm making research about Yugoslavian bunkers and trenches in Vojvodina. Can you help me with that?!


Hello, sure. I have more photos but I have to scan them. I will send you. You can send me email to the following addess: info@bunkermuzeum.hu
I will mark all bunkers and blockhouses that you will find in the site's bunker map (htps://map.bunkermuzeum.hu). Thank you in advance klm files and all data.

Railway blockhouses are realy curious they are like old medievel watchtowers. Germans had build several post along railway lines, some were heavily armed I will send some sketches but they were different from these towers.

I have a small map about Yugoslavian fortifications in Serbia I will scan it as well. Furthermore there is a Hungarian survery from 1941 about the bunkers in the occupied sector. I plan to find them in the Hungarian Military Archive next year.


He he he... I also have plan to find something in Military archive in Belgrade next year.


I guess we should co-operate and share information.
I wrote I have a map on Yugoslavien fortification lines. I found it in a article from the 40's. (The title of the news: Magyar Katonai Szemle). The map can find below, it represents the anti-tank ditches, and fortificaion lines. Most of the At diches have been remaind. You can search and see them on google earth :

Kép
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Re: Jugoszláv határerődítések

HozzászólásSzerző: bunkerman » 2009.12.05. 17:20



Impressive pictures!
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Re: Jugoszláv határerődítések

HozzászólásSzerző: Muskétás » 2009.12.06. 19:43

How large are they?
Can you draw the ground plan of them?
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Re: Jugoszláv határerődítések

HozzászólásSzerző: Micowiny » 2009.12.07. 07:21

Muskétás írta:How large are they?
Can you draw the ground plan of them?


I think this is real measures... type MG/12
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but I will check...
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Re: Jugoszláv határerődítések

HozzászólásSzerző: bunkerman » 2009.12.07. 08:48

Further photos:

Kép
Fortified and masked guard house nerar the border

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Anti tank obstacles
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Re: Jugoszláv határerődítések

HozzászólásSzerző: Micowiny » 2009.12.07. 09:36

bunkerman írta:Further photos:

Kép
Fortified and masked guard house nerar the border

Kép
Anti tank obstacles


nice... but where is that? i hope in vojvodina... :)
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Re: Jugoszláv határerődítések

HozzászólásSzerző: bunkerman » 2009.12.07. 19:38

Micowiny írta: nice... but where is that? i hope in vojvodina... :)


Unfortunately I do not know where these pictured had been takan, I guess somewhere close to the border.

Meanwhile I began to update our bunker map (http://map.bunkermuzeum.hu) with those bunkers that you had find.
You can check it chose in the menu: "Jugoszláv erődvonal" (It means Fortified lines in Yugoslavia), and "Jugoszláv erődvonal erődjei (frissítve)" (It means bunkers of fortified lines of Yugoslavia (updated)).
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Re: Jugoszláv határerődítések

HozzászólásSzerző: Micowiny » 2009.12.07. 20:17

bunkerman írta:
Micowiny írta: nice... but where is that? i hope in vojvodina... :)


Unfortunately I do not know where these pictured had been takan, I guess somwhere close to the border.

Meanwhile I began to update our bunker map (http://map.bunkermuzeum.hu) with those bunkers that you had find.
You can check it chose in the menu: "Jugoszláv erődvonal" (It means Fortified lines in Yugoslavia), and "Jugoszláv erődvonal erődjei (frissítve)" (It means bunkers of fortified lines of Yugoslavia (updated)).


I don't have too many problems with Hungarian language. My closest (girl)friend who lives just on the corner of my street is Hungarian origin. :thumb up:
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Re: Jugoszláv határerődítések

HozzászólásSzerző: csart » 2009.12.08. 19:47

That explains many things :D
By the way i found the oob of the jugo forces in the time of the attack. (regimental level) Also the 4 main directions of the attack, real fighting didn't took place , because the positions were abandoned before the attack.
if it's interesting for you i can write it in the forum.
Also I think we have in our archive a picture of a jugo pillbox on the bank of a river ! bunkerman do you have a scan of that photo? Also don't you remember a book were there was a drawing of the attack plans on Jugoslavia? i remember the drawings , but don't remember the book.
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Re: Jugoszláv határerődítések

HozzászólásSzerző: bunkerman » 2009.12.08. 19:52

I close to finsh updateing of Yugoslavian bunkers on our bunker map, and there is a clear view. Compare location of all AT dichtes and the bunkers, and you will see there are many At dich lines without bunkers.

Bunker lines that cover At ditch were in:
a) along the border
b) in larger brirdgeheads (Vrbas, Palanka, Nivi Sad)
c) on the southern bank of the Danube (only in Novi Sad? - it is a question)
d) in some major road crosses

Micowiny what do you think about the bunkers alond the Danube? They are only in the vicinity of Novi Sad or it is a continous line?
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Re: Jugoszláv határerődítések

HozzászólásSzerző: csart » 2009.12.08. 19:57

Also!
It's always worth checking the areas where the at ditches cross railway lines, on many places we found the remrants of obstacles.
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Re: Jugoszláv határerődítések

HozzászólásSzerző: Micowiny » 2009.12.08. 21:38

to csart

I know many things about April invasion on Yugoslavia (Vojvodinian sector). I have some drawings but not in details. About 10 years ago I make research about "April war" how we call axis invasion because my grandfather (second lieutenant) whose in Yugoslavian Royal army. On April 13. near village Glozan (east from Backa Palanka) Hungarian forces surround regiment where whose my grandfather. During surrendering negotiation, on of Yugoslavian officers shot i the head one of Hungarian high officers and for that all Yugoslavian officers whose sentenced to death. Only my grandfather survived.

But now... I'm just interested in fortifications. Of course it would be interesting for all others to see details of invasion on Vojvodina region. Pillbox would be great... in every kind of fortification i have interest. I need it all. :mrgreen: Maybe something, also, about Sremski front in 1945. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrmian_Front

And I will check all cross railway lines...

to bunkerman

I think that many bunkers are destroyed. In kmz file "Bio bunker" is "It whose a bunker?" One man from Vrbas told me so. Like you see on GE i have many question marks.

It is continous line on right Danube river bank fort sure from Beocin (west from Novi Sad) to Sremski Karlovci (southeast from Novi Sad) check b/w map again. Second line of bunkers in Srem is far away from Danube. Tomorrow I will go southeast from Petrovaradin to Bukovac and Sremski Karlovci.
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Re: Jugoszláv határerődítések

HozzászólásSzerző: bunkerman » 2009.12.11. 07:23

Micowiny írta:It is continous line on right Danube river bank fort sure from Beocin (west from Novi Sad) to Sremski Karlovci (southeast from Novi Sad) check b/w map again. Second line of bunkers in Srem is far away from Danube. Tomorrow I will go southeast from Petrovaradin to Bukovac and Sremski Karlovci.


Could you visit the second line you have written in Petrovaradin - Bukovac - Sremski Karlovci line ?
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Re: Jugoszláv határerődítések

HozzászólásSzerző: Micowiny » 2009.12.15. 20:17

I will go to second line on Saturday... but we have 20 cm of snow and it will snowing next fife days.
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Re: Jugoszláv határerődítések

HozzászólásSzerző: Micowiny » 2009.12.20. 19:45

This is "second line" around Sremska Kamenica and Petrovaradin.

This type of bunker is common for defense near Danube river. (Petrovaradin, Preradoviceva street) / Hey, that's me / :)
Kép

Bunker above south side of Petrovaradin. Near railway.
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Inside that bunker. /my friend Acketa /
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Bunker near Petrovaradin fortress. On Trandzament hill.
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Its seems that bunkers few hundred meters from Danube are different type's. (Miseluk hill)
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Bunker entrance.
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Go to find more bunkers...
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I really enjoy in finding bunker on terrain in hard weather conditions.
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Re: Jugoszláv határerődítések

HozzászólásSzerző: bunkerman » 2010.01.06. 13:21

I founds some German blockhouses on the internet in Serbia. Micowiny had already atteched some pohotos about them. I guess they might be very tipical along railway line in Serbia.

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/28039327

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/9235846

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/5697320

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/21882430
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Re: Jugoszláv határerődítések

HozzászólásSzerző: bunkerman » 2010.01.06. 13:23

Kép

Kép

Kép

Kép
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